Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Answers to Dennis Prager's Questions

Not very FAQ!

Or: “Everything you always wanted to know about Muslims, Christians, Jews or Atheists but were afraid to ask…”


This week a special NVFAQ, dedicated to Dennis Prager's important questions.


Dear Dennis,

In your comment at
Global Voices you posed five sincere questions to us, which you felt that law-abiding Muslims needed to answer, for the sake of Islam.

Stellar, Omar and Ishan are members of Bridge the Gap in Blogspace and are very familiar with the Muslim and with the Arab world. Stella for instance is a Mulsim woman, while Omar is an Arab. I myself am not a Muslim either, I had a Christian upbringing and I live in Holland. Whenever I felt I might contribute something, I added my two cents as well.

They have taken up your questions and have tried to come up with answers as best as they could.

We have had some discussion about whether or not to try and answer your questions.
Not because we do not want to, but because our image of American radio-personalities is for the most part based on Howard Stern, the only one we know of around here. However, we felt that this one example would probably not be indicative of the discussion-ethics of every radio host in the States, and believe that most are open to honest and respectful discussion.

Stellar, Omar and Ishan speak for themselves, since they cannot claim to speak for a large majority of Muslims. This in contrast to extremists that usually seem to get away with it as well...

However, they feel that the moderate view of the Islam and the Sharia that they adhere to, is supported by a much larger following than the views that are daily expressed on News-stations by old fashioned reactionary and extremist Mullahs.
Just like most Christians in
America do not spend their days bombing abortion-clinics and killing abortionists, despite what the 'Army of God' would like us to believe, for example.

However, since the Mad Mullahs have instant access to TV-camera’s whenever they decide to voice their opinion by setting fire to something, Stellar, Omar and Ishan find it is almost impossible to let those moderate voices be heard.

Please accept that these questions may not totally satisfy your answers. However, we hope that they may lead to an ongoing dialogue in which both your questions as well as theirs may eventually become clear by mutual understanding.

(1) Why are you so quiet?
There are a billion Muslims in the world. How is it possible that essentially none have demonstrated against evils perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Ishan answers:
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a lot bigger then merely about religion! The fact that the majority of Palestinians are Muslims does not automatically give this conflict any religious base.
In other words, this conflict is not “Islam Vs Judaism” or “Islam vs Christianity”.
This is Palestine VS Israel. Let’s get that problem solved and let us make sure that all UN-motions are heeded and all people in the region are free to seek education, housing and employment. Because only under such conditions can and will all violence be firmly condemned.

Nico adds:
The fact that most Palestinians are Muslim should not be important. Nobody ever turned to explain the fierce fighting by the rebels in
Vietnam or Cambodia by pointing at Buddhism as the culprit. Everyone recognized that those fighters where merely inspired and trained by Chinese agents, and nobody ever suggested holding the Dalai Lama accountable for spreading a dangerous religion. Except for the Chinese government that is…
Nor did anyone blame the Pope for what was going on in those Latin American countries that were in the firm hand of bloody dictators in the 70’s through the 90’s, even though these countries are predominantly Roman-Catholic. Or for the atrocities committed by the IRA for example.

I myself have found out on my own Blog that even objective criticism of the State of Israel, will immediately bring out fierce accusations of anti-Semitism. This does not help the debate.
It is a debate about territory, not about religion.

Omar Adds:
Well, aside from the demonstrations against the Iraq war in the United States, how many demonstrations did we see demanding thorough investigation in the Abou Ghareeb prison's scandal, or in the Guatanamo bay human rights infringements.. How many demonstrations went against the bombing of Al Rasheed hotel in Iraq, and against the illegal arrest of all Middle Eastern looking American citizens and residents in the name of national security? I know that there were many protests and voices.. but knowing that the population in the US is closer to 300 million.. don’t you think that you guys have been “Quiet” too?

Ishan adds:
Why Muslims are not demonstrating for the killing of the Israeli’s? I would say, for the very same reason they are not demonstrating against the killing of Palestinians EVERYDAY! I think it does not make a sense to see a demonstration in
Jordan, for say, asking Palestinians to stop killing Israelis, at the time when nobody is telling Israelis to stop killing Palestinians.

Nico adds:
As a Dutchman it is not easy to come up with a correct frame of mind to assess whether or not I would even dare take to the streets if I would live in say,
Syria. But when I look at the websites of the Israel Defense Forces, as well as The Palestine Red Crescent Society, it strikes me that the number of casualties on the Palestine side are disproportionately much higher than those on the Israeli side. There are so may more other casualties to protest against, it would be pointless to protest just one Nationality of innocent victims…

  • 3,438 People killed since September 29, 2000 (892 Israelis and 2,546 Palestinians)
  • 29,903 People injured since September 29, 2000 (5,973 Israelis and 23,930 Palestinians)
  • 2,203 Homes destroyed since September 29, 2000(1 Israeli home and 2,202 Palestinian homes -14,436 partially destroyed)
  • The Israeli unemployment rate is 9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 25-31%.

These figures still can never be used to rationalize the killing of innocent people, but they may give a valid reason for having a frame of mind not very receptive to much feelings of sympathy with the ‘other side’. When even the most basic human needs are not met, it is very hard to be motivated to take to the streets.

And what sort of emotions would you have to be dealing with, Dennis, if these statistics would have been those of American casualties in any conflict around the world


2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

Our guess is that the answer is hidden within statistics.

The percentage of radical extremist in every faith is incredibly small. So you need Large Critical Mass of an active religious following for these probabilities to finally come together and start generating extremists. Christians make up just a very small fraction of the population of the
Occupied Territories. So the odds that eventually a Christian Palestine extremist will blow himself up on a Jerusalem bus, should be at least not be much higher than the ratio Muslim/Christian Palestinians in the Occupied Territories. Which are probably not very high.

Added to this, the fact that a large religious community by sheer numbers alone might make it harder to spot extremists, making it easier for them to radicalize unnoticed. Maybe the Christian community in
Palestine is not large and anonymous enough to allow these processes to happen. In the US however, the Christian majority has probably reached the critical mass to also sprout extremists, judging from the murders on abortionists as well as ongoing attempts to legally ban Darwin’s Theory of Evolution from classrooms. Besides, in recent years Lebanese Christians have not shown themselves to be of the ‘Turn-the-other-Cheek’-variety either…

Currently, we do not have these numbers at hand. But if you do, these might form the bases for an informed discussion about this question.

Omar Adds:

Based on these numbers:
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/populationpalestine.html#graph2
and these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_West_Bank
The ratio of Christian Palestinians are less than 5% of the population… now if you look at the latest Palestinians election results in here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4650788.stm#results
You will see that there is real support for Hamas as the makers of the ideology that agrees to the majority of voters.
Now, to quote Dr. Naeem Ateeq from his article here:
http://www.sabeel.org/old/news/cstone25/suicidebombers.htm

The suicide bombings become a more powerful phenomenon when their religious underpinnings are emphasized. According to Hamas leader, Khaled Mash’al, there are three main reasons, namely, the religious, the nationalist or patriotic, and the humanitarian. The latter means that the suicide bomber sacrifices himself in order for his people to live. [..]
A variant Islamic view is expressed by Khaled Mash’al, one of the leaders of Hamas. In the same interview on Aljazeera satellite TV station on June 29, 2002, Khaled said that had the international community done justice to the Palestinians, there would have been no reason for it to resort to martyrdom operations. He considered these operations as very effective. He mentioned several reasons. The cumulative number of casualties and losses which Israel cannot continue to sustain; their impact in causing the emigration of Jews out of Israel; the rise of the unemployment rate in Israel and the worsening of its economy; the low morale of the people; but most of all, the fact that the Israeli army does not have a weapon that can match these operations.
In other words, militant Islamic groups saw the suicide bombings as a powerful weapon that inflicted not only a heavy human toll but also a psychological trauma affecting a large segment of Israeli society and exposing Israel’s vulnerability


Which (I guess) shows why they elected this sort of resistance… detailed description can be found in the artice.
This is by no means justifying the suicide bombings, it is only highlighting reasons that might have escaped the un-involved observer.


(3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

Helena replies:
You quote Freedom House as the source of this information, which is indeed a widely used and respectable source. However, since up to 35% of their funding comes from the United States Government, we should be cautious in using this as our only source of info.

It is probably all a matter of definitions and interpretations, but this quote from a
Carnegie House discussion regarding the article "Arab, Not Muslim, Exceptionalism" by Alfred Stepan in the Journal of Democracy - Volume 15, Number 4, October 2004, pp. 140-146 points at a different yet plausible interpretation of the facts.

  • “The Columbia political scientist Alfred Stepan wrote an important article in the Journal of Democracy, where he tracked and disaggregated the political systems of different Muslim majority countries. Revising his data and analysis slightly, I would put it this way: There are 43 countries in the world that have an unambiguously Muslim majority, a few others that are disputed. Twenty-seven of these 43 lie outside the Arab world, and their average freedom score on the seven-point Freedom House scale is almost an entire point better than the average score of the Arab States.
  • A quarter of the 27 non-Arab Muslim-majority states are democracies, and none of the Arab Muslim majority states are.
  • Moreover, Stepan finds that an unusual number of Muslim-majority, non-Arab states are “great electoral over-achievers. They have levels of democracy far beyond what you would predict from their level of economic development.
  • This is a controversial statement, but nevertheless the facts speak for themselves. Democracy is present in every major religious and philosophical tradition, in countries that are predominantly Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian and Muslim.
  • This is a controversial statement, but nevertheless the facts speak for themselves. Democracy is present in every major religious and philosophical tradition, in countries that are predominantly Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucian and Muslim. “

Furthermore Dennis, when you suggest that there is this strong positive correlation between the predominant religion of a country and the human rights situation, how would images of the Abu Graib prison system, which is run by a predominantly Christian country on the territory of a predominantly Catholic Carib-Commie island? Or what does Russia do for the image of the Atheists in that respect?

Omar Adds:
According to the Washington-based Freedom House. Is America free? Is the Patriot Act a demonstration of freedom? Is the arrest of Steve Kurtz a demonstration of freedom ?
(read here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1236288,00.html)
How can a non-free country decide who is free and who is not?

4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Stellar replies:

Those terrorists have misconnected verses in the Qur'an, caused by ignorance and lack of getting deep into the meaning and reasoning behind each verse.

Surely, Muslims are against and condemn any violent act towards any living creature including animals. It is a serious insult to Muslims to allow innocent blood spill on earth in the name of Islam.

Killing is a serious offence in Islam. Furthermore, genocide on Muslims and Non-Muslims alike is also strongly condemned. On that level the
Palestine conflict also causes a lot of indignation in the world.

I'll just say that for now because I could write a long article answering this question.

If you would like to discuss this further, please let me know...


(5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

Stellar replies:

Every person has the right to freedom of conscience and worship in accordance with his religious beliefs.

No one shall hold in contempt or ridicule the religious beliefs of others or incite public hostility against them; respect for the religious feelings of others is obligatory on all Muslims.

  • "Say (O Mohammad, it is) the truth form the Lord of you (all). Then whosever will, let him believe, and whosever will, let him disbelieve…" (Holy Qur'an, Al Kahf 18:29)

The Qur'anic principle "There is no compulsion in religion" shall govern religious rights of Non-Muslims minorities.

In a Muslim Country religious minorities shall have the choice to be governed in respect of their civil and personal matters by Islamic laws or by their own laws.


Post Scriptum

Dear Dennis,

We realize that these answers can never completely satisfy your questions in one sitting.
We acknowledge that this might actually be the hallmark of both a good question, as well as that of an answer which is aimed at inviting people to an open debate and respectful discussion.
We realize that your experience and way with words might make us easy targets for your ridicule if the answers are not what you had hoped or expected, but we think it is more important to try and open a debate, than it is to never run the risk of being mocked…

Your response is eagerly awaited,
kind regards,


Nico Moenens
On behalf of all at Bridge the Gap in Blogspace

90 Comments:

Blogger Omar said...

just for the record..
I am a non religious person.. so I am giving my views as an ARAB, not a Muslim.. which is a very important thing to point at..

Not all Arabs are Muslims, not all Muslim Arabs are practitioners of Islam, and those of us who come from Mediterranean backgrounds (Syrian, Lebanese, etc..) come from country whose laws and rules (social and governmental) that mix Islamic laws (Shari’a) and other civil, non-religious laws.

The Arab world (just like the western world) is a mixture of very different (and sometime contradicting) powers and streams, which makes it what it is, what it was, and what it will be..

just like neo-conservatism is growing more powerful in some part of the west (especially in the US), a counter balance is being created in the east (which is marketed as terrorism in Fox and CNN media outlets..)..
So, it is very important to distinguish between the Arab world, the Muslim world, the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, and the Iraqi war.. Because it is historically unfair (and incorrect) to group them all under one category..

01 March, 2006 19:13  
Anonymous jamal said...

Dennis,

1. Since Palestinians have been targeted by Israeli soldiers, which I have NEVER seen demonstrations against, do we therefore consider all Israelis and Jews as supportive of slaughter and death? Do all Americans and Christians have to apologise for Colonialism, Slavery and Genocide of Native Americans to prove they are not supportive of the past?

2. Why do Israelis ONLY target Muslims? Israel even goes outside of the bounds of it's region to strike Iraq (in the past) and threatens to do the same to Iran. Has it done the same to non-muslims countries posing nuclear weapon threats?

3. How can you use a "Washington-based group that promotes democracy" to determine the level of freedoms in Muslims countries. Do you forget that USA with it's large prison population is the biggest invader of other countries, including those invasions based on falsifications.

4. Why are so many atrocities committed (or has involvement of) by Christianity and the West. Slavery, colonialism, Vietnam, Rwanda, Iraq, etc. On a side note, how many "Young girls" were murdered and/or raped in America by Americans last year?

5. Why did Bush refer to Christianity in his election campaign and in his War on Terror? Why are Muslims persected and stereotyped in the West, which your questions aim to do? Why is it that the nature of your questions that can be pplied in essence to those of many nations and religions ONLY focus upon Islam. Before you questions others, I suggest you question yourself.

01 March, 2006 21:43  
Blogger Omar said...

great effort guys.. let's wait and see if Dennis replies

02 March, 2006 06:12  
Blogger chet said...

(1) Why are you so quiet?

As having a christian upbringing I cannot answer for others. I do know that here in the U.S. Muslim clerics and organizations have taken out full page ads after 9/11 denouncing the violence. Yet the papers would stick there ads on the back pages and not give it the same respect as those doing the accusing of Middle Eastern People being all terrorist. They have been on different news cast donouncing violence only to have the reporter turn around and ask them why they don't speak out more. I guess I would have to ask Dennis why the media seems to be bias. I feel they have been speaking out, but not given the chance to be heard by the western media.

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Anonymous I said...

This blog is an excelent idea, however the answers you have provided are not without bias. Perhaps issues such as the Arab Israeli conflict, now temporarily called the Palestinian Cause, should be published in a different blog. :)

16 March, 2006 16:57  
Blogger Steven said...

Nico, you say:
"The fact that most Palestinians are Muslim should not be important. Nobody ever turned to explain the fierce fighting by the rebels in Vietnam or Cambodia by pointing at Buddhism as the culprit."

What utter rubbish. These people are braught up to hate Jews and are told it is their religious responsibility to murder Jews wherever they are in the name of God. This is not comparible to Vietnam.

24 March, 2006 17:48  
Blogger Steven said...

"Everyone recognized that those fighters where merely inspired and trained by Chinese agents, and nobody ever suggested holding the Dalai Lama accountable for spreading a dangerous religion."

Right:
Not
About
Religion
Hey?
Did
I
Get
That
Right?

Right.



You know what, I agree with you in one sense. However that is not what these people are braught up to believe.

24 March, 2006 18:01  
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24 March, 2006 18:01  
Blogger Steven said...

Jamal

1) Your facts are wrong. Israeli soldiers never target civilians, however militants often operate around civilians. Even the legendry Al Durah was not nessessarly harmed, can you say "Set Up"? Of course, there are exceptions, however Palestinian terrorists have shot babies in cold blood and have murdered people on busses, even school busses. They use ambulances as troop and weapon transports. This behaviour is disgusting. One person commented on bias media... bias towards Israel? You say this when it is publicly known that the PLO has a propaganda department and the majority of the Middle East has its media under dictatorial control. The videos above are but a drop in the ocean. The poor Palestine Arab refugees are being used by their neighbours as a tool, nothing more. Look at the Karni crossing case, they cant get food yet they can still import explosives? Israel closed that crossing due to more attacks, and offered to trade through a smaller crossing. It is not ideal, of course, however the PA rejected Israeli goods and complain about depleting stores. I promise you, when Palestine Arab's love their children more than killing others, we will see peace. Israel repeatedly attempts to make peace. Israeli's do not target Palestinian Arab refugees. Even a few of them know this fact, though this boy had better change this opinion or he could be lynched. Even the cause of the refugee problem is often a repeated "Palestinian" propaganda lie, just as much as the term "Palestinian" is and the cause of the 2000 interfada too, which was launched after 97% of the west bank and the Gaza strip was offered in a peace deal without any counter offers being made. Anti-terrorism operations are NOT terrorism. Targetting bomb making facilities and smuggling tunnels, is called counter-terrorism. Innocents sometimes die, however that eventually is kept to a minimum. Israel went house to house in Jenin to reduce the risk of innocent fatalities at the cost of its own troops. If Israel truly wanted to murder Palestinians, they could have wiped them out at any point.

Here is Israel for you, to name a couple of things:

*Free surgery for everyone*
Over the 10 years of its existence 1,400 children from 23 countries around the world have had surgery at Wolfson, 500 of them Palestinian. All of the 70 Israel medical staff involved in the scheme at Wolfson, ranging from pediatric cardiologists to surgeons, and intensive care nurses, work on a voluntary basis, giving up holidays, and days off to work for the charity.

It should be noticed that one female had her life saved at an Israeli hospital for free, only to attempt a suicide bombing in that same hospital. She could have murdered the same surgeon who saved her life. Luckely she was stopped.


*Jerusalem and Palestine Arab street children*
Dozens of junctions between French Hill and the outskirts of Ramallah have in recent years become a job site for children hawking their wares to help their families. A few say they manage to bring home about NIS 1,000 a month this way; others claimed even higher profits. The money goes straight to their parents, although it is believed the kids sometimes fall victim to operators who skim a share off the top.

Mayor Uri Lupolianski, who saw the phenomenon firsthand a few months ago, has declared war on the phenomenon. And so, the city’s department for the advancement of youth, headed by Shabi Amedi, has put together a far-reaching program to provide an alternative solution for the street-corner kids so they can earn money and study at the same time. The city, together with members of the business community, is to finance vocational training for the children. The kids will be able to earn what they do at the junctions while learning a trade. In return, they will promise to spend two-thirds of the day at their studies, with tutors provided by the city and the participating businesses.

All this, even during constant attacks.

I think that is your first point delt with.

2. Why do Israelis ONLY target Muslims? Israel even goes outside of the bounds of it's region to strike Iraq (in the past) and threatens to do the same to Iran. Has it done the same to non-muslims countries posing nuclear weapon threats?

Iraq was building a nucleur weapons program, dolt. That was to be used on Iran, however the war was between Iraq and Iran, look at the thanks we get. Iraq was a terrorist dictatorial regeme run by Saddam, if Saddam had nucleur weapons the world would be a far more dangerous place. Why do you not speak of Saddam murdering hunderds of Muslems every day? Why do you not speak of Muslims who are slaughtering Muslims? Ask yourself why Arabs in Israel have more freedoms than in any of Israel's neighbouring countries. Iraq was a threat to Israel and has launched scuds at its populated areas and took part in the wars to exterminate the Jewish land. You know what,

I will reply to your other points at another time. Your logic is upside down and inside out.

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